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Wonder how long you're not supposed to eat anything after spraying? 'Cause man, those munchies...
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My first question is, how did Pink end up at a pro marijuana site? Things that make a person go hmmm. Posts: 10947 | Registered: Oct 2004
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Should I admit that I'm a little angry at the Canadian government's policies on immigration right now, though? Posts: 4365 | Registered: Apr 2003
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I'm thinking its because they have a really cool accent, even better than the Australian one. Posts: 10947 | Registered: Oct 2004
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Why is Canada cleaner then the U.S. (as in less litter along the sides of the road)? Is it because they have cleaning crews more often or is it because Canadians litter less?
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My daughter is currently serving a mission in the Toronto East Mission. When she called home at Christmas I was puzzled when she told me she had been "oot and aboot", that she was "sore-ee" that she hadn't written more often, and asked me "if the weather was warm in California, eh?"
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We had 4 Canadian missionaries all at the same time last year, they must have taken offence to my Welsh and American flags, as I came home one day to find them amongst a Canadian one!
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I'm real proud of my Acadian heritage. Many of them beat the Pilgrims here, having come in ships of the early 1600's that afforded much rougher conditions than those of the 1800's when most immigrants came to America, and having carved out an existence farming and fishing while living in the cold, harsh "Forest Primeval" of what is now Nova Scotia.
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I was also born in Canada. We moved to the US the day the men landed on the moon. One thing I love about Canada:
Salt and vinegar potato chips.
Here is a quick brag: When I was about 10 (yikes that was 26 years ago), we visited Canada and that is where I first ate Lays salt and vinegar chips. I fell in love w/them. So when we returned to the US, I wrote the Lays company a letter and told them how I liked those chips and why didn't they sell them in the US? They sent me a free powder pack of chip dip and a lovely letter that said thank you but the US didn't have the market for the salt and vinegar chips. But as you know, things changed! Perhaps, in part, thanks to me, we now have salt and vinegar chips all over the US!!!
I also loved the stories of Canadian kindnesses shown to Americans stranded at airports on 9/11/01 Even though I feel little "loyalty" to canada since I was raised in the US, these stories made me feel proud to have been born in Canada.
Have you all read "Chicken Soup for the Canadian Soul"? It is a great book if you like the touch feely type stories. (I am one of the Chicken Soup for the Souls biggest fans).
A friend of mine needed knee surgery. Two week wait. If he didn't get it, the worst he'd experience is a painful, swollen knee and limited mobility on occasion. I needed gallbladder surgery. Six month wait. Several months on a no fat diet. Hair falling out, skin peeling, and still having massive and frequent gall bladder attacks despite eating nothing but applesauce and jello. Skin turned green. Finally get admitted through emergency three months into the wait and have gall bladder removed. If they'd waited any longer, I'd be dead - it was infected and ready to rupture.
It's an imperfect system.
And lest anyone think it's free, it isn't. It's paid for through high taxes.
About immigration. I'm Canadian, my husband is not - he's Sri Lankan. In order for him to visit Canada for a week - in other words, to get a tourist visa - he'd have to have someone sponsor him, ie willing to financially support him for the rest of his life if he/we decided to stay in Canada past that period. Apparently, the fact that I can live and work in Canada is not enough. However, under the points system, he qualifies - very easily - as a skilled worker.
Apparently, it's simply not believable to Canadian immigration that someone could go to Canada to visit but not stay.
Yes, Canada has clean air and water, and it's beautiful, and there are many friendly and kind people, but like anywhere, it has its set of problems, too.
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Call me silly, but I think it's silly that the local pizza place has, ham (chopped bits of ham), Canadian bacon (thick sandwich ham cut into small circles or squares), and breakfast bacon (what people in the U.S. usually think of as bacon).
So, am I having Canadian bacon on my sandwich or is it ham? And is there a difference? Posts: 10947 | Registered: Oct 2004
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True Canadian bacon has a rim of corn meal on the edge.
I would rather pay higher taxes then watch your whole life hit the skids from one illness.
Sorry to hear about your friend, larger cities have longer waiting times.
I was operated on in two weeks.
My sister who lives in the US had no heath care till she was married two months later a bulge in her side sent her to the doctor so she never know she had cancer till the tumor bulged out her side. Now every day is a blessing. 3 stage overran cancer 20 years a go a routine physical detected caner. I was operated on and had one round of Chemo.
Ill take the high taxes any day If she had heath care this would not be her fate.
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From what I can tell, many Canadians are willing to accept the faults in your healthcare system as long as you perceive that the wealthy businessman and homeless person are waiting in the same line to get the same pretty good quality care.
Of course, this is not how it works, but general public perception is happy to pretend it is.
I've experienced both USA and Canadian care, and I think I'll stick with the US's. Even though I was out of work for 6 months with incredibly crappy healthcare right at the time my wife had a complicated pregnancy. She required weekly ultrasounds, access to specialists, and eventually hospitalization. All of which were quite expensive due to the lack of good HC, but all of which were readily available.
A true tragedy of Canadian healthcare was the mortality rate of SARS a few years back. The SARS symptoms just did not rate the level of care required, so as a result, Canada had the highest mortality rate of SARS cases worldwide. Even worse than China, according to the UN.
All this aside, Canadian blueberries remain something I would die for. And watching that river in Montreal break up its ice and flow again was an experience I'll never forget. Beautiful, beautiful country.
quote:I've experienced both USA and Canadian care, and I think I'll stick with the US's. Even though I was out of work for 6 months with incredibly crappy healthcare right at the time my wife had a complicated pregnancy. She required weekly ultrasounds, access to specialists, and eventually hospitalization. All of which were quite expensive due to the lack of good HC, but all of which were readily available.
Are you really trying to imply that this wouldn't be the case in Canada? My wife had pretty serious complications in her first pregnancy and was treated to housecalls, specialists, hospitalization, and all that with no additional out of pocket expenses from us. My sister in law had a very premature baby and has had complications in a couple of pregnancies and has always had access to all necessary services. We do pay high taxes, but we do have access to quality health care without additional costs.
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quote: Being able to toss your Prime Minster with a vote of non- confidence! Not getting stuck with a red neck for four / eight years !
What an obnoxious thing to say. I find it hard to believe that you are not aware that most of us are Americans, and that many of us did vote for that "red neck". I am always surprised that the "polite" Canadians seem to find it perfectly reasonable and acceptable to call the leader of their closest neighbor a "moron", "bastard", and "redneck", among other things. And to think that we get called arrogant.
This does, by the way, seem like a particularly inappropriate time to be proud of the Canadian government.
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I wasn't at all sure how much priority the Canadian healthcare system would give to a complicated pregnancy. I'm glad to hear everything went well for wife and sister-in-law.
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This has aroused my curiosity somewhat. I've known a couple dozen Canadians living in the US, both professionally and church members, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has said that the primary reason they came to the US was to get away from the socialist medical system. Too expensive, abhorent waiting times, mediocre (or worse) doctors. The general opinion seemed to be that the average person couldn't get treated until they were at deaths door. They also believed that the wealthy didn't have those problems, because they came across the border for treatment.
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Gee, Jim, I thought the original poster was referring to Canadian Prime Ministers with the red neck comment, not US Presidents. A lot of Canadians make a sport of slamming our politicians, and unfortunately, they give us plenty of material. I could talk about Turner, that butt groping prime minister, for example. Or I could point out the wife beating alcoholic who was up on charges of availing the services of a prostitute in Germany in the 1980s. Or I could bring up any of the British Columbia premiers from the last couple of decades, almost all of which ended up facing criminal charges of one kind or another. Or... See, there's a lot of fodder there. Posts: 4365 | Registered: Apr 2003
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I was out side Wal-Mart today waiting. When I watched people coming and going and since it is spring there is dust and wind tossing up trash and left over's the snow did not biodegrade. People would stop and pick up trash and toss it in a trash can. I remembered what was asked and thought “well that explains that” and then I thought “I guess I do that a lot too” then my husband came out of wall mart and a McDonalds bag blow in front of him and he bent down and picked it up. I wander if it’s a Canadian thing.
(What an obnoxious thing to say. I find it hard to believe that you are not aware that most of us are Americans, and that many of us did vote for that "red neck". I am always surprised that the "polite" Canadians seem to find it perfectly reasonable and acceptable to call the leader of their closest neighbor a "moron", "bastard", and "redneck", among other things. And to think that we get called arrogant.)
(This does, by the way, seem like a particularly inappropriate time to be proud of the Canadian government.)
I am sorry if you thought it was wrong to say or imply Bush is a redneck. By the way I am American born and raised. Not every American loves Bush, I didn’t vote for his Pappy either.
As fare as the Canadian government goes, that’s why a call for a new election will be coming soon. Got to love that, screw up Out You GO!
Just because you’re a president or a Prim Minister dose not mean I should treat you like Royalty. If it talks like a red neck and walks like a red neck don’t be surprised your called one, and it is my right to free speech.
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If you think the U.S. has a litter problem try going to Mexico. My husband served a mission in Guadalajara, Mexico. Maybe this has changed since he was there, but at the time he served his mission it was common practice among the Mexican natives to toss trash wherever and whenever; out the window, over your shoulder, you name it--anything goes. The explanation given for doing this was that it was a way to keep someone employed and they felt as though they were doing a service to someone by littering. My husband could never bring himself to litter, even if it meant providing a job for someone, and his companions (natives of Mexico) really got after him about it.
I believe that the U.S., being a country with high immigration (largely from Mexico), is being affected by those who have migrated here and have not learned about our anti-littering laws, or have been unable to break the habit of littering. This is not to say that all immigrants litter (of course not all do), or that Americans themselves don't contribute to the littering problem (they may possibly litter even more than immigrants), but certainly the immigration influx must be a factor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would guess there isn't quite as much Mexican immigration into Canada as there is in the U.S., given that Canada doesn't border Mexico as the U.S. does. This may be one possible explanation for why Canada is cleaner than the U.S. Just my observation. Posts: 605 | Registered: Nov 2004
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London is far worse than any city I have ever been into in the USA for litter. Last Summer my sister came to visit for a week and as we walked around Central London, I was actually embarrassed at the litter on the streets, we did not grow up with it and where she lives, still would not be used to it, I don't think emigration into this country has much to do with it, there are people from all over the world here, as much as an attitude of "I can do whatever I like, therefore I will". Cigarette ends and chewing gum are now being classified as litter so in theory you could be fined for dropping it, and councils fined for not picking it up.
I and my children to this day come home with pockets full of litter, I would hate to think that any of them were contributing to the problem.
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Well then! I think it's time I tell you about Sri Lanka!
I'll start by telling you that Sri Lanka is called the "cleaner, hassle-free version of India", so by comparison, I think you can guess that India would be much worse.
Garbage. People dump their garbage anywhere. But once a (usually vacant) lot starts to be used for dumping garbage, everyone will start using it, and pretty soon, it'll look like a small version of a garbage dump. This, despite the garbage trucks (flatbed style with side and back railings, with four or five employees, including the driver) that come around, in theory, twice a week. Unfortunately, we never know which day(s) they're going to be here. Some garbage dumps that I've seen have had garbage piles twenty or thirty feet wide. Not too high because of...
Stray animals. Cats, dogs, goats, horses, cows, water buffalo, and even, from what I've heard, elephants. They rummage through the garbage, looking for another meal. Within a few minutes of anyone putting their garbage out, the dogs will start tearing the bags apart, eager to eat whatever they can. Everyone else follows suit.
And yes, wandering cows and water buffalo are common. They wander down our road regularly, mooing as they go. We frequently have cows competing in the streets with traffic, which has to drive around the cattle. Sometimes, the cows will take naps in the middle of the road. Well, I've seen dogs do it, too, but the cows amuse me more. My favorite was a nine cow nap in the middle of a busy intersection.
Said animals, and there are a LOT of them, will do their business on the streets or side of the road. Where else will they go? So, walking down the street, you have to be careful not to step on things.
And we also have a number of neighborhood water spouts. Not everyone has running water piped into their homes, so they'll use the neighborhood spout instead, usually a faucet about a foot off the ground. People wash their laundry or dishes in a bucket at the tap. They'll later use the same bucket to give themselves a shower (they wear sarongs while they shower, so no nudity in this country, where public nudity is forbidden.)
There are small lakes there men will go to bathe. Yes, men. Not women. Wearing nothing but underwear, they'll bathe. Traffic whizzes by, but never mind. And never mind that the water is filthy.
And then there are the older men who pee against a building. When a building is available. Thankfully, this isn't that common, and is apparently becoming much less common over time, or so I'm told. My husband has told me stories of nasty, disgusting public bathrooms that I would likely run from. Probably like the ones at the zoo - I barely made it to the door before I ran. I'd rather have an accident than... Well, anyway.
Hmm. Yeah, I think that's enough for now.
I've lived in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, and the neighborhoods with a lot of immigrant Asians more closely resembled what I've just described than anywhere else I'd ever seen. In Vancouver in those neighborhoods, I'd see the litter everywhere and the men peeing on buildings. So it wasn't a surprise when I arrived. Well, not a complete surprise.
And despite all that, I still love it here. Posts: 4365 | Registered: Apr 2003
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quote:I am sorry if you thought it was wrong to say or imply Bush is a redneck. By the way I am American born and raised. Not every American loves Bush, I didn’t vote for his Pappy either.
I don't expect you to love Bush. You can think he's the scum of the earth for all I care. To say so, however, in a place like this when you had absolutely no reason to bring it up is just obnoxious. And whatever you say about your heritage, to me you sound like a Canadian, not an American.
I suppose there is a difference, though. Most Canadians would have been apologetic after being called on acting so boorishly. You continue in your boorishness, so maybe you are American.
Now that I am in the mood, I think I'll enjoy touching on some of your other comments.
quote: 2 History of a Peace keeping Military.
You are honestly proud of being associated with the U.N. Peacekeepers right now? Have you even heard of the rampant rapes of women, girls, and boys that have been going on by the wonderful Peacekeepers? And where, exactly, have the Peacekeepers done any good? Not in Sudan, surely. They haven't been doing to well in Kosovo or the surrounding areas either. Or the Congo.
The only Canadian Peacekeeper that I can think of is Romero Dallaire, the commanding officer of all the Peacekeepers in Rwanda. Yeah, that Rwanda. He was the one that didn't lift a damn finger to save anyone, though he probably could have prevented most of the deaths with aggressive action. He didn't even try to save soldiers under his command that got butchered. Yeah, Kofi Annan (yes, that Kofi Annan) told him not to do anything. I hope that helps him sleep better at night.
By the way- do you know why Canada's military did virtually nothing to help in the tsunami relief effort? Since you are a "Move support coordinator for the Canadian military" I would hope so. They literally do not have the ability to move their DART (Disaster Action Relief Team, or something like that) to anywhere outside of Canada in less than a couple of months. Congrats, Canada!
quote: Being able to toss your Prime Minster with a vote of non- confidence!
You show a startling amount of confidence in the Canadian electorate. While this scandal is pretty bad, as quidscribis said, it isn't exactly the first. The Canadian people just don't seem to care.
quote: Elections that take less then three months with an expense cap for all parties.
I have to admit that that is pretty attractive. Of course, it makes a lot more sense to put caps in place when there's so much less at stake...
quote: Social assistance that is a hand up not a hand out.
I have to admit that I laugh whenever I read that. I am very curious to know how a "hand up" is distinguished from a "hand out".
quote:6 Hate crime legislation
Interesting one. Let's tie that in to this-
quote: Just because you’re a president or a Prim Minister dose not mean I should treat you like Royalty. If it talks like a red neck and walks like a red neck don’t be surprised your called one, and it is my right to free speech.
Ah, but you see, in Canada you don't have a right to free speech. It does not exist in the Canadian constitution. That's part of why those lovely "Hate crime" laws that you are so fond of make it possible to successfully prosecute someone for saying that homosexual acts are wrong.
quote: A recent flurry of cases has mostly gone against free expression. The Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ruled that a newspaper ad listing biblical passages that oppose homosexuality was a human-rights offense. The commission ordered the paper and Hugh Owens, the man who placed the ad, to pay $1,500 each to three gay men who objected to it. In another case, a British Columbia court upheld the one-month suspension, without pay, of a high school teacher who wrote letters to a local paper arguing that homosexuality is not a fixed orientation but a condition that can and should be treated. The teacher, Chris Kempling, was not accused of discrimination, merely of expressing thoughts that the state defines as improper.
Gee, I'd love to live in a place like that.
Lest you are tempted to write me off as some egotistical American, consider the fact that I am myself half Canadian. My mother and everyone in her family lives in Canada. Suffice to say that I know quite a few Canadians and know whereof I speak.
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quote: Do I correctly infer you do not love Canada?
Whatever would give you that idea?
Actually, there are things about Canada that I love. The people are more laid back which I both like and hate. I like it when hanging out with them but hate it when driving there. In general I would call it a plus though. The people are, in general, nicer (except when you combine politics and Americans). And the country is absolutely beautiful. If you get a chance to go to Banff national park- go. It is like the Canadian Yosemite. And British Columbia and many other places are gorgeous too.
But there are things that I hate about it too. Number 1 (and there isn't a close second) is that the people tend to have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S. 90% of their trade is with the U.S., yet they despise us. Actually, I think their dependence on us- both economically and militarily- is a key part of why they despise us. The culture has been, for quite a while, defined primarily in terms of our culture. That seems to be changing, but it seems to me that they are replacing the "not-U.S." culture with one that is identified with Europe rather than developing a unique one of their own. That probably sounds harsher than I mean it. I don't mean to say that the Canadian culture isn't unique- it is- but the culture has been so influenced by the U.S. culture that it is like they can never escape the big brother next door.
This resentment and inferiority complex lead many Canadians to constantly make comparisons between the U.S. and Canada that are favorable to Canada and/or degrading to the U.S. Winnieg, though she is originally from the U.S., is an excellent case in point.
I imagine the Canadians on the board will have vastly different views, but this is my take on it.
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I’m glad JimClay brought out the issue of Canadian General Romero Dallaire, the commanding officer of all the Peacekeepers in Rwanda, and I firmly agree with his facts. Anything that exposes the U.N. for what it really is gets my applause. But there are many cases of high ranking U.S. military personnel, including generals and admirals, lying under oath and changing their testimonies (some more than once) to protect their careers and obey their bosses. This was especially evident during the 8 separate Pearl Harbor investigations. And I think there were generals in Korea and Vietnam who could and should have blown the whistle about orders that favoured the enemy forces and cost additional American lives.
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{I don't expect you to love Bush. You can think he's the scum of the earth for all I care. To say so, however, in a place like this when you had absolutely no reason to bring it up is just obnoxious. And whatever you say about your heritage, to me you sound like a Canadian, not an American.}
Oh I see I am suppose to shut up and fall in line because I’m not a Bush loving American and this chat site is off limits to Mormon Democrats?
I find it repugnant that you to discredit my citizenship when I have given much to my country of birth. I was an USA army brat, at ten I lost my father to the war in Vietnam. My oldest brother came home from the same war never the same again.
{I suppose there is a difference, though. Most Canadians would have been apologetic after being called on acting so boorishly. You continue in your boorishness, so maybe you are American.}
Yah right your right and I’m wrong because our opinion differ. Is that American of you?
{Now that I am in the mood, I think I'll enjoy touching on some of your other comments.}
You continue in your boorishness, so maybe you are American?
{You are honestly proud of being associated with the U.N. Peacekeepers right now?}
Yes very much so, my husband has served in the Canadian military for 26 years, many tours as a Peace Keeper. The former Yugoslavia, Kosovo. Hattie, Cambodia, Africa, Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so on. I’ve heard him cry over the phone because the orphanage in Yugoslavia he spent his free time at feeding and diapering bathing and building a playground for was fire bombed. He had spent days buying the dead.
Just because the UN does not fall in line with a country politics and yes they make mistake. Don’t ever assume the men and women in my community Canadian Forces base Shilo MB are some how lacking honor. I suggest you check out this web site before you compare honor. http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp
By the way I have more confidence in the Canadian electorate then another four years of a Republicans in office.
{I have to admit that I laugh whenever I read that. I am very curious to know how a "hand up" is distinguished from a "hand out"}
Social assistance in this province is amazing. My eldest son lost his job (his fault) and had a very hard time finding a job due to his lack of education, they sent him on course and he now holds his ticket and can provide for his family. This was done in two months. This is common place.
{Ah, but you see, in Canada you don't have a right to free speech. It does not exist in the Canadian constitution. That's part of why those lovely "Hate crime" laws that you are so fond of make it possible to successfully prosecute someone for saying that homosexual acts are wrong}
Ah No you did not look hard enough, it is the Canadian charter of human rights.
Hate crime legislation does not to stop free speech. You can say what you want if you’re a homophobe fine, but you can not promote hate towards an ethnic or sexual orientation. Canada Jailed a Highschool teacher for teaching that the Holocaust did not exist. He is bared from teaching in Canada.
You can yell homo all you want but you can not promote or teach violent acts towards another.
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quote: Oh I see I am suppose to shut up and fall in line because I’m not a Bush loving American and this chat site is off limits to Mormon Democrats?
No, it's just general policy (though often not observed) to not bring up controversial politics in the first place. For instance, I wouldn't start a "Democrats suck" thread because it would be: 1) in poor taste, 2) offensive, and 3) not in keeping with the purpose of Nauvoo. Anyway, I don't think any kind of constructive dialog is going to happen at this point, so peace out.
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quote: Oh I see I am suppose to shut up and fall in line because I’m not a Bush loving American and this chat site is off limits to Mormon Democrats?
Please remember that this site is owned by a Mormon Democrat (who is married to a Mormon Republication)
However, he does not discuss politics here. This site is for civilized discussion of our common experience as members of the church. Let's please calm down the rhetoric. Thanks.
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Yep - those Canadian blueberries are just to die for. Big as your thumb. And jucy - whoowhee!
I've also never heard from someone taking a fishing trip somewere along the western coast and coming back unhappy.
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I love me that smoked salmon. Smoked with cherries and blueberries and apples. Dagnabbit, it's the best smoked salmon in the world. Yum!
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