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I saw an earlier story about this, & some people said they actually had been asked by potential employers for even their e-mail passwords.
Even my internet provider says it will never ask for a customer's password.
Some employers say there is no need for protective laws because job applicants "are free to refuse" to "voluntarily" give the info. Yeah, right, someone is free to refuse when they have been unemployed for months & have run out of savings & are about to starve or be evicted.
It's illegal for people other than the addressee to open U.S. mail, but it seems that the laws about the privacy of the mail haven't caught up with technology. Maybe employers will next ask to put monitoring devices in our beds. Posts: 13216 | Registered: Apr 2005
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Even if someone has questionable things on Facebook, it should be enough that they have the good sense to block those things to all but a few people. It boggles the mind that asking for passwords is thought to be acceptable by anyone.
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Speaking as a potential employer, no way in heck would I *ever* ask a potential employee for passwords to anything. Period. That's going too far.
I think it's bad enough that in the US, it's considered acceptable for employers to obtain credit checks on potential employees. Other than for positions where an employee deals with money and could commit fraud or embezzlement, I consider that unacceptable. And even then, I still question it. Do a criminal check if necessary.
If I were being interviewed for a job and were asked for passwords, I'd walk out. But then, I would do the same if the employer asked about if/how I use birth control pills or other forms of birth control.
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If you are desperate for employment, you are more apt to comply even if it is intrusive. And probably also not likely to complain for fear of rocking the boat.
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It's kind of silly that they ask for passwords. They don't need them to access what people post on facebook.
They don't have to even be friends with them, although it makes it easier.
A friend of ours is an FBI agent. He told us that the #1 reason for disqualification of applicants to become agents was inappropriate online presence.
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I had employers examine my credit status, visit neighbors, check my school records even from grade school, because I had several public safety jobs. Such employers look at financial history, use of any substance that can impair, & some other criteria to evaluate people's character, which is more important to some employers than others. For instance, if I bave a history of bankruptcy, excess debt, or lavish living, am I more likely to be tempted to steal, embezzle, or take a bribe?
Although we all clearly agree that it's outrageous for employers to request passwords, I think we also realize how thoughtless & foolish some (especially young) people are about what they post on line.
Cyberspace is like Las Vegas. Whatever happens there, stays there. Someone, somewhere will always have access to it. Whether or not we have passwords, there is an awful lot we can find out about someone from their activity on social media, websites like this one, or blogs.
If we have stewardship for young people, this is probably something we should remind them of now & then. If they are filling cyberspace with riotous keg parties, petty crimes, nude pictures, vulgarity, harassment, or threats. that stuff will follow them to their grave & beyond - password or not. And a compulsion to post such things will reflect poorly on their prudence, discretion, & common sense.
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For my job in the military, I had to have a security clearance, which required a full-blown background investigation. I understand the need for that. I had access to information that an enemy might blackmail me to get. So the government had to be sure there was nothing in my background that could be used to pressure me to reveal secrets. The investigation took a few months and cost the government several thousand dollars. Defense contractors have to do the same thing. I suppose certain public sector jobs, such as police officers, need similar requirements.
Other than that, I'm with Quid. If I was interviewing for a job as a sales associate at Best Buy, and they asked for my password, I'd tell them exactly to what angle they could get bent.
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One attendee wanted him to pay $1000.00. Fines for not obeying the rules in common society...good idea. (Kinda like speeding tickets.) The money could go for the organization the cell phone interupted Posts: 2188 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Companies do credit checks and such because a bad credit rating, from an independent company, is legally an airtight reason not to hire someone. You are very unlikely to get sued for discrimination if you can respond in court with a lousy credit report.
Otherwise, the company would be stuck either flipping a coin or using non-objective criteria that could get them sued.
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I can udnerstand liking a child's show butjust found it funny that these adults actually have social meetings based on the show, I guess it is a better alternative than meetings based on a crime show though: adult fans of MY LIttle PonyPosts: 8664 | Registered: Feb 2005
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Everyone knows about the right-wing anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant fanatic in Norway who killed 77 people at a youth campus because he thought it was indoctrinating young people in radical philosphies.
Now the killer is saying he lost contact with his family & friends after the attack (awww, the poor boy) & comparing that loss to the ordeal of the victim's families. comparing that loss to the ordeal the victims' families have suffered.
This dude is truly, truly twisted.
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For our friends & neighbors who go to Las Vegas, their primary intention may not be to pour in so much alcohol that they need medical treatment - but, hey, it happens. The ambience is conducive to all-night bingeing. The noise & motion pump up the adrenaline. The money & chips & cards & roulette wheels are gyrating in an intoxicating psychedelic display. The booze is flowing. And after all, this is Las Vegas, it's a special vacation, they deserve a good time, everything that happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, so why not?
Good news: there is life after hangover.
The Hangover Heaven mobile clinic will come to your hotel to rescue you from Hangover Hell, & fix you up so you can go out & do it all over again in another 3 hours.
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This can't be the whole story. Who wouldn't know that an ex harbored that degree of hate, and was capable of that degree of assault, so as to agree to go under.
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quote: nstead of a diploma, Anthony got a letter from the principal, Marlon Styles, Jr. "I will be holding your diploma in the main office," the letter said, "due to the excessive cheering your guests displayed during the roll call." "I did nothing wrong except walk across the stage," Anthony said.
The school demands 20 hours of community service before he can graduate. Those hours can be split between Anthony and his family, or the senior can perform them all himself.
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Cosette just graduated from high school. With honors.
I clapped loudly when she crossed the stage to receive her diploma. I did not cheer or catcall. I found the catcalls and cheers from (presumed) friends and family of other graduates boorish.
But I would have been profoundly embarrassed of my community if our law enforcement officers had arrested the boors, or if a diploma had been withheld from a graduate because his family were boors.
It is often a mistake to try to make people afraid to act certain ways, when the better approach is to build the sort of culture in which they would be ashamed to act in those ways. Though criminal behavior must be punished, fear is usually a lousy substitute for shame.
Context matters. If the family of a groom broke into cheers and catcalls after he kissed his bride across the altar of the sealing room of the temple, I wouldn't have a problem with them being firmly and promptly escorted out of the temple. Heck, if it was Cosette he'd just kissed, I'd probably help.
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quote:I wouldn't have a problem with them being firmly and promptly escorted out of the temple
I wonder if this hasn't been tried by the school in question in the past. More and more I hear of problems with the cheers. And it isn't just cheers - it is the horns and the scream etc where you can't hear the next graduates name and how it extends an already long ceremony to be much longer.
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That possibility occurs to me as well, Yungmom. In most cases where someone in an official capacity does something that superficially sounds dumb, there's more to the story. Sometimes the "more" is a history of political correctness or other bureaucratic pathology. But in other cases the "more" is a long history of abuse by the persons now screaming foul.
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I've been to a number of HS graduations in the US in recent years, and they are just awful. No respect for other grads or their families, considerable amount apparently fueled by alcohol. And let's face it, punishing the child IS the best way to get parents to stop doing it.
If I were principal, I would just tell my school parents and community that if it took limiting the number of guests to those who attended a pre-grad etiquette class and agreed to a binding contract to pay a fine of $1000 if they were disruptive (defined precisely so everyone knew the limtis); or to two people; or something else so that the whole of the group were not subjected to what happens routinely at graduations today, then that is what I would do. Because each grad deserves to have their name announced and heard by others there, AND not to have their families subjected to the kind of ugliness both verbal and non-verbal that are unfortunately common. I also don't blame the community that is requiring breathalyzers for grad entrance, since much of the out of control behavior is displayed by people who look and sound impaired.
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<jaw drop> gosh we got in trouble for throwing our mortarboards up in the air after all was done... I am always bemused at the peeks into this alien land where I used to live.
Our graduation are very personal; each graduate has a chosen speaker from the school staff who has prepared remarks about that one student. Student gets diploma to appropriate applause and then it moves to the next student- You thought your graduations were long...
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With regard to the mother who was jailed - one of the comments alluded to a video (which I haven't seen) of the event showing that this mom didn't merely cheer. She was apparently quite boisterous and disruptive. I personally suspect that when she was asked to leave the auditorium, she became even more confrontational and crossed the line into assault.
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My high school graduating class was just under 600 students. Because of the applause and cheering after each name was called, my ceremony took about 3.5 hours.
My brother, who graduated 6 years after me, was in a class of over 1200. Same school, same lack of rules, same lack of air conditioning in the gymnasium. Noisier parents. Over EIGHT hours.
Buggie's high school class was only 145, and we were advised in several mailings in advance, as well as printed on the program and in the opening announcements, that all applause, cheering, etc. was to be held until after the ceremony or risk having their child's diploma withheld. There were a couple noisy parents, but not many. I don't know if the threat was upheld. We were out of there in just over an hour.
Mini's junior high class was also about 145. We were asked to hold applause until the end of each row, so about every 20 students. No threats of holding certificates or escorting offenders off the premises. In and out in under 45 minutes.
Of course, school administrators have absolutely no control over the families, and at that point, little control over the graduates. But I think that if the request to hold acclaim until more appropriate times is handled in a respectful, adult manner - without threats, especially - most parents are likely to comply. And there will always be people who, for whatever reason, choose not to follow the guidelines or the example set by those around them.
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Not every school might be able to accommodate a big class with all its guests indoors, but I've noticed that stadium graduations are always rowdier than those in auditoriums or other more "dignified" settings.
I graduated in my school auditorium. We were told not to even switch our tassels until every diploma was presented. In the ensuing years, I've been taken aback to see balloons, beach balls, kites, & other playthings flying around at graduations. The distraction they cause (not to mention people on cell phones who won't shut up) are rude to the speakers, those who want to hear them, & the graduates being given their diplomas.
I'm with pnr, I think. After repeated requests to hold applause during the awarding of diplomas, if they don't get it, there needs to be a consequence. The person conducting should remind everyone that applause should wait, & anyone whose guests disrupt the program will have the diploma withheld on stage & may bring his/her parents to the dean's office & pick it up later. Yes, they will be humiliated. No one likes the idea of shaming people, but it won't be without plenty of warning.
Every grad deserves to be applauded. By leaving all applause to the end, everyone gets an equal share: those who have Mom & Dad, Grandma & Grandpa A & B, several aunts & uncles, & three siblings present to holler & jump up & down for them, & those who have a single mom or whose dad couldn't come because the family couldn't spare the wages he would lose by missing work.
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Sorry missed when the previous discussion of graduation was happening. I saw the news story elsewhere.
I understand that waiting for cheering to stop while announcing the names can make the ceremony longer. I understand that graduations are among the most boring meetings outside of various church meetings. I understand wanting to reduce the length of graduations ceremonies.
But, there are better ways than ruining a person's day. I say let the audience cheer as much as they want. However, make no pause. If they're still cheering when it's time to announce the next name, the announcer just says the name anyway.
In fact, put the announcement of names on a tape. This way you can crank up the volume and not worry about feedback issues. Pre-record the names with a small gap between. The conductor then pauses the tape while the student stands up gets their diploma. As soon as the student begins walking back to their chair, play the next name, repeat as needed. However, at no time don't delay playing the next name because of audience noise.
And if the administration wants to be nice they can setup a projector with a presentation that displays the name.
Everybody is happy, the ceremony proceeds quickly and the people get to cheer.
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