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jaimilyn
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Josh - that can be qite a time suck too - I have friends who that was a big strain on their marriage. He would paint his figures and go game with his friends far more often than he would pay attention to his wife, or take care of duties around the house.

Not saying you'll do that, more along my previous point that just because it's not WoW, doesn't mean that you can't go overboard and ruin your marriage with something.

Heck, if I don't keep my craft supplies cleaned up, I have to watch out for my marital situation... [Wink]

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quote:
that can be qite a time suck too
As can excessive reading, TV, computers. Anything, even good things like service can be abused to the extent that it harms marriages.
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[Laugh]
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my wife calls that war gamers porn!
Okay, now that I can breathe again...


I don't figure paint anymore. Only because my wargame group fell apart. One other guy and I were the core and when he moved the others were more sporadic in thier interest. We would play on Thursday nights. When I was painting, I did a lot of it while my wife watched TV. She likes TV better then I do, so I would do that instead.

Now I run a 1st Edition D&D campaign once or twice a month for my son and some of his friends. They like the paper and dice game better then their computer games. It also teaches them to interact with each other socially and some minor math skills.

Face to face interaction. [Clap]

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Herr Jones
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so hobbies that detract from family time=bad

employment that does the same thing=not so bad

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jaimilyn
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Herr Jones, you misunderstand my point. I'm saying that hobbies or work or anything done in excess is detrimental to a family unit. Online gaming is perhaps the most prevalent and easy to point to example of this lately, but if you're indulging in an excess of gaming or gardening or baking or auto restoration or gun shooting (glock or otherwise...) or whatever, it's bad for the family. The activities mentioned above could also be good family activities when done in moderation, or even a reasonable escape mechanism for tension release after a long day of work. It's when they're taken to excess and exclusion of other healthy activities that it becomes damaging to yourself and others.
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rayb
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I've seen people neglect their families for all sorts of things... including the sport of the devil: Golf.
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quote:
so hobbies that detract from family time=bad

employment that does the same thing=not so bad

can I add to this list - Church callings that detract from the family = fully promoted (even though I know it has been the primary cause of divorce).
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rayb
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Neglect == Bad
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rayb
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So can you analyze the reason that a game is so addicting? What aspect of one's character is likely to fall prey to it? And if one can identify those aspects in their personality, can one redirect those aspects to a more healthy resolution?

Perhaps gaming has multiple aspects? Like the male need to blow things up. There's gotta be something good in that, right, so how can we redirect that need? Well... send them to scout camp.

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Its not just the aspect of the game - perhaps the addiction is based on a need. Escape, worth and ease of control these are all the hallmarks of a bad addiction.
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Perhaps gaming has multiple aspects? Like the male need to blow things up. There's gotta be something good in that, right, so how can we redirect that need? Well... send them to scout camp.
So you are suggesting we blow up scout camp? [Big Grin]
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Its easy to dismiss the addiction as immaturity yet there are underlying factors that need to be assessed.
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My wife started complaining because I was doing too much indexing for Family Search. It did make me part of the highest indexing Stake in Europe last year, though. Maybe it's the competitive spirit...
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Let me just respond to the notion that a church calling that requires a lot of attention is also included in addiction. And jobs for that matter as well.

Some jobs take a person overseas for 6 months at a time. So I guess we can say that the defense of the country is evil by its very nature and a real family oriented person would never engage in it.

Likewise, a real family oriented person would never accept any callings that would detract from their family responsibilities on a regular basis, like RS Pres, Bishop, Stk Pres and counselors, EQP. These callings require sunday meetings, at least another meeting through the week for visits to families, and then the occasional unplanned call outs to the hospital for blessings, etc. Heck, as the Bishop you may get a phone call that a member of your ward has fallen deeply ill and requests your presence, and it could occur on your scheduled date night with your wife. Will you respond and postpone date night? Will your wife feel animosity towards the member requesting your time?

That is where spiritual maturity comes in. Some embrace service, some endure it, some resent it.
The very essence of service is sacrifice. Can it be service without sacrifice?

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great distinction Roper.

not that it isn't possible to be selfish in a church calling...

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Could This (youtube video by Freddie Wong be a future videogame? Where you're physically in the environment and the fantasy elements are added in? Can you imagine how addictive something like this would be? [Smile]
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zombie guts all around me and the sound of racking the shotgun a thousandth time?

yeah, that could get addicting.

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Sacrifices made in building the Kingdom of God are selfless. Addictions are selfish.
Can I refine this point a little? My opinion is there is sacrifice that strengthens and sacrifice that destroys. Certainly that sacrifice suffered by the Saviour on Gethsemane would be highlighted as destructive and strengthening. This is rare and even when presented in a form of destructive and strengthening its is a choice that many advise against.

So perhaps we need to examine some of the areas around the selfless sacrifice, especially in relation to Church callings. Why church callings? Church callings represent in some cases the taking on of a second job or even worse, sacrifices made in a calling are often seen in the light of the right kind of sacrifice and are encouraged, yet I believe caution should be used.

The danger is that over-indulgence in a calling can result in failure to follow through with our other obligations - I suppose I see it in the form you can only sacrifice good things and not obligations.

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Josh, I'm wondering if you could maybe expand on this statement:

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Church callings that detract from the family = fully promoted
Promoted by who? In my experience, if a church calling is detracting significantly from family life, then it's time to re-assess and fix the situation. There are more sacrifices with some calling than others (Bishop, Scout Master for example), but if someone isn't able to find a balance, then staying in the calling to the long-term detriment of the family shouldn't be the solution.
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In my experience, if a church calling is detracting significantly from family life, then it's time to re-assess and fix the situation.
Welcome to Australia - I know of one marriage almost lost and another on shaky ground - I call it the church pub.
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In the context of videogames, I think good bishops don't have much gametime. they are total noobs at world of warcraft.
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They should switch to FPS games. 20 minute maps!! [ROFL]
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You should write the first presidency, perhaps it can be put in the church handbook! [Razz]
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I must admit I fond computer games as a hobby rather empty when the game is switched off and put away what do you have to show for those hours of work? at least with a creative hobby you may have useless (read miniatures) or useful items to show for the time spent on them..... Is that a common feeling?
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Josh, I just found out that there used to be tiny dolls like army men for girls. They were called 100 dolls and they are very cute and rare. Convince someone in the miniture world to remake those and you would make a killing.
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Do you mean these?
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All that's left is to decide if his backup weapon is gonna be a Sig or a Glock.
Oh that decision has already been made. The bishop will follow the lead of Church Security and carry a Glock. [Taunt]
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This guy really had some extra time ....

Beautiful sculpture he built with just toothpicks and thousands of hours. Its amazing.

I think I would rather spend that time playing WOW.

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Well, at TEOTWAWKI, when we all take our food storage to the church and combine it with everyone else's so that we can feed all the ward members, it still needs to be protected from Godless dope-smoking looters, right? Who better to organize the defense than a bishop who totally rocks Call of Duty: Black Ops?
That would be nice, but the first presidency hasn't written me back yet on my suggestions to make it part of the bishop selection process. So in the meantime, I keep not-throwing away my OGRE and BattleTech rpgs. So when the power's out and we're all huddled around candles, I can teach the leadership basic strategy (when they're not off manning the zombie barricades or organizing companies of fifty, that is).
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That toothpick sculpture was really cool! [Big Grin]
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I'm really considering getting this when it is released. I just wish it was plastics and not cardboard.

OGRE 6th Edition

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When my husband needed surgery recently, I asked the surgeon if he played video games.
three hours of video gaming a week decreases errors by 37%

Online games crack puzzle in AIDS research

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In just three weeks, online gamers deciphered the structure of a retrovirus protein that has stumped scientists for over a decade, and a study out Sunday says their breakthrough opens doors for a new AIDS drug design.
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"We wanted to see if human intuition could succeed where automated methods had failed," said Firas Khatib, a lead author of the study, published in the journal Nature Structural & Molecular Biology.
The researchers were hopeful that their finding would open further possibilities of crowd-sourcing and online game-playing in scientific discovery.
"The ingenuity of game players is a formidable force that, if properly directed, can be used to solve a wide range of scientific problems," Khatib said.
Seth Cooper, a co-creator of Foldit, added, "People have spatial reasoning skills, something computers are not yet good at. Games provide a framework for bringing together the strengths of computers and humans. The results in this week's paper show that gaming, science and computation can be combined to make advances that were not possible before."




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