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Jen
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Groupon Boycot- tours offered for torture porn studio

I know that most of us are aware of the damage that pornography can have on individuals and families. Here is a chance to NOT put our money where our mouths are: in other words, no more money to Groupon until they stop pumping money into the pornography industry.

They are offering tours of a torture porn studio in San Francisco. Apparently (I won't go to look), the website of the company who runs the studio specifically mentions torturing and humiliating teens. The site is an old armory and has been taken over to film these disgusting depictions of sexual torture. Groupon's justification for continuing to offer these tours is that the owner of the studio gives money to local youth groups. Does anyone else see the blatant disconnect?

There are other companies that offer daily deals. I've unsubscribed from Groupon, and let them know why. Will you?

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Curelom
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I've never patronized Groupon, but being in the Bay Area, we're aware of this armory. There was a controversy when this dirt factory wanted to lease the place for a studio, but the Planning Commission approved it. I guess it's been making movies & has been under most people's radar until the tours started. Casa de las Madres, a nearby women & family shelter & service org, left when the porn mill moved in – they had planned to move but decided to go sooner when this blight arrived because it wasn't anything they wanted to be around, or have their clients be around.

This actually is a historic Calif. National Guard armory, an imposing, full square-block mixture of fortress & castle. It's that big because the parade ground is inside. For years it held boxing & other sports events as well as the National Guard. It sat idle for years when the Guard built a new site, & many people hoped to see it occupied again, but such a massive, unique building isn't well suited for many uses. I think one attraction for the dirt peddlers was the somber, dungeon-like setting that they could use in their movies. A natural creek runs through the basement, a bit like City Creek.

Here is the Wikipedia entry entry with a picture of the armory. NTW, it doesn't show any pictures of the studio. You'll read that this garbage factory does BDSM, which is linked. You don't need to go there – that's a specialty form of porn that involves people tying up, beating & torturing each other for "pleasure."

It's a shame that this landmark is being used this way, where the public can't enjoy it. It would be an interesting place to tour for the history & architecture, but who (decent folks, anyway) wants to take a tour that includes S&M dungeon stage sets? Being brick, on ground that's seismically iffy, it would need upgrading to convert it to anything like a theater, library, or community center, & it's a historic landmark so it can't be altered in ways that change the historic appearance. So ordinary folks have to just admire it from the outside,

"Groupon's justification for continuing to offer these tours is that the owner of the studio gives money to local youth groups."

Hmmmf [Big Frown] This is like selling cigarets as a fundraiser for the American Cancer Society.

[ April 23, 2012, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: Curelom ]

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Not only am I disgusted that a historic site would be desecrated by torture pornography of all things (and that Groupon would endorse it)...

But it's equally disgusting that when I looked up BDSM just to figure out what it stood for, I found a whole multiple page description of it on Wikipedia that acted as if it were a good, normal, and acceptable thing of culture.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore. [Angst]

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Jen
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Yeah, all of that kind of made my stomach hurt.

But you know, Groupon found these people to be respectable members of society (or whatever similar wording they used), so it's all good, right?

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Curelom
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This is a quote from the Wikipedia article:

"Many people welcomed this use of The Armory as a way of revitalizing the structure and bringing back business to the area without altering the appearance of the historic building, as well as being in keeping with San Francisco's tradition of accommodating sexual minorities."

Y'know, this just shows how sick & out of whack some people's thinking is. In the world we live in, I suppose it's necessary to make some accommdation for "sexual minorities." If we are talking about not firing people because of SSA, or some similar civil rights matter, I can "live with" it.

But since when does "sexual minority" include porn studios, especially ones that are as depraved as this one seems to be? A business that makes its profits from depicting people being degraded, whipped, sexually tormented, or chained in underground dungeons has no right to any kind of accomodation given to protect "sexual minorities" from being discriminated against. What they are doing is not a lifestyle choice issue, it's exploiting of humans.

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Didn't even look up anything, just trusted my anti-porn group to know what was going on. I've unsubscribed. I haven't taken any of the offers anyway. V.
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Jean Valjean
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I have a real problem with boycotts.

Oh, not with the idea itself. I'm fine with boycotting companies that do terrible things (I feel rather differently about blacklisting individuals, but that's another thread.)

It's just that, every time someone calls for a well-justified boycott, I discover that I was never patronizing the business to begin with. How can you boycott HBO for Big Love when you were never subscribed to HBO to begin with?

I have no idea who Groupon are. I suppose I should be grateful that there's no need now for me to find out.

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HalfABrain
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I'm with you, Jean. Although I know a little bit about Groupon (I followed last year's superbowl advertisement scandal a little bit) it wasn't advantageous enough for me to join. However, I can at least sympathize with the boycott. If the neighborhood Network Marketing Geek tries to get me to join Groupon, I can say... "Hmmm. And tell me a little bit about this tour of the Torture Porn Studio at the Historic California National Guard Armory."
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Just as a heads up for future use, nowadays "Torture Porn" normally refers to the horror films Hollywood has been turning out (e.g. Saw and Hostel) in which young people (normally a few poory-clad women) are put in some serial-killer based enviroment. They're called such due to a lack of meaningful plot and a combination of sexual and explcit horror themes (cutting off limbs for example). BDSM is more specific to true pronography (such as beign discussed here) which features solely, or in combination with more standard sexual imagery, various forms of bondage and mild (but real) violence. Honestly I don't know which trend I find more disturbing, but either way just a point of clarification on the naming.

[Edit: turns out this form doesn't have underline tags: my mistake]

Hobbes [Smile]

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Jen
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I can't say I feel badly about not being fluent in porn lingo.
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Well no reason to, I just bring it up because "torture porn" is a term bandied about quite a bit (by movie critics as well as everyday patrons) when it comes to modern movies, not just "true" pornography. So when you hear about the next Universal Studio torture porn film, or that some actor or actress you like did a torture porn ... well now you know what it means, that's all.

[Edit: "you" being the general "you". I wasn't trying to single the specific you out or complain about semanitcs of horror film language, I just wanted to calrify the terminology since it's likely to come up for people at some point]

Hobbes [Smile]

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Jen
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Thanks, it is good to know how to communicate. It's just a shame to have to give it any thought at all.
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Wow. I am subscribed to Groupons in several locales and this is the first I have seen something so raw and tasteless. We use it for sushi and all you can eat rib dinners and sauna/spa visits.
I don't think I will boycott Groupon because a branch in faroff place makes a dumb decision - I save way too much money. I surely can boycott a questionable business though...

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Curelom
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"I can't say I feel badly about not being fluent in porn lingo."

It isn't something the ordinary decent human really wants to know about, but we live in a fallen world & you-know-what happens. In certain groups of people, some of these practices are not just the stuff of lousy movies, but actual lifestyle activities. Yeah, people handcuff or tie each other up & so on, & it is mutually consenting behavior. [Roll Eyes]

Anyway, Jana does have a point. Boycotts can be tricky. It's easy to want to boycott a company or organization when they become part of something outrageous. But how far do the tentacles go? As an example, after Prop. 8 & all the animosity toward the Church & accusations of homophobia, bigotry, & other such nonsense, "gay rights" activists called for a boycott of Utah. Well, how do you boycott a place? Do you check labels to see if a company is located there? Do you research a company's staff to be sure the CEO doesn't live there? Do you pass by any store that carries Utah products? I think what made the "gay rights" boycott of Utah absurd was the Sundance Film Festival. We all know how involved people of the same-sex persuasion are in the performing arts, & now they would be hit by a boycott that was supposedly in support of them.

Anyway, a boycott is something that's up to each person to decide on. For sure, none of us will be taking the porn studio tour. But maybe if we patronize other businesses through Groupon, we can ask them if they have any opinion of this BDSM torture dungeon tour as an activity for the family on some nice Saturday morning.

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