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Hey, I expect messageboards to change over time. Hot-button topics come and go. The cast changes. It's a big Mormon soap opera, and I can appreciate that.
But lately, too many things have been too close to the surface. The temperature runs too high, and issues are liable to spontaneously combust at a moment's notice. Pussyfooting around isn't fun. And neither is steeling one's self to shrug off the pointed disdain of those who have All The Answers and the delusions of perfection to go with them.
Because Nauvoo is being overtaken by the moonbats, folks. Grade-A, steel-belted, died-in-the-wool moonbats. I know that they're a miniscule minority of the casually active members here, but just like every political party, the screamers on the fringes are the ones whose voices tend to drown out all signs of moderation. And right, now, must attempts to approach subjects with a reasonable, even-handed manner are being overridden by those who think that their certainty is in itself compelling proof of their position, and that "disagreement of good conscience" is a mealy-mouthed liberal euphemism for "deep-seated sin and faithlessness."
No, I won't name names here; EDG has enough work to do without having to edit my posts. And I wish I could say, "You know who you are." But in my experience, one of the most common signs of full-throttle moonbattiness is that you don't know that it's you. You're operating under the delusion that you're the only sane person in a nuthouse which very much needs your ministrations. So instead, I'll say this: Everyone ELSE knows who you are.
That having been said, I must confess: I'll simply have to stick around long enough to find out if noel ever slips and gives a straight answer on the "Politics and Religion" thread. So I may not be going anywhere just yet. Or, by the looks of it, for a long time to come.
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Well that just bites. But I totally get why you're leaving. Unless I'm a blissfully unaware moonbat. Posts: 4342 | Registered: Jul 2004
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After all that time you spent at BeliefNet how could a place like this ruffle your feathers?
I think I understand you probably had lower expectations from a place like BeliefNet. I rather hope you drop into lurker mode instead of absentee mode.
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Before we proceed any further here, and just so everyone is straight, I think a definition of terms is in order. We cannot have a concrete discussion unless everyone is clear on terms, and uses them in the same manner. Please define your use of the term "moonbat."
It is such a great word.
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Fine Nathan, make us do the work ourselves.
quote: Moonbat From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search
Moonbat is a political epithet coined in 2002 by Perry de Havilland of "The Libertarian Samizdata," a libertarian weblog. It was originally a play on the last name of George Monbiot, a columnist for The Guardian, but now the term enjoys great currency in the conservative and libertarian blogosphere as an all-purpose insult for modern liberals, peace protestors, and other ideological opponents. It is similar to the epithets Feminazi or Idiotarian.
According to de Haviland, a moonbat is "someone on the extreme edge of whatever their -ism happens to be." Adriana Cronin defines the term as "someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency." This term has long been used to describe protesters on the political Left, and is sometimes used to describe protesters on the political Right, although modern usage generally ascribes the epithet Wingnut to those on the far right.
Moonbat is frequently used to describe those who believe in conspiracy theories. Examples include those who believe that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were engineered by George W. Bush, or that the US invaded Iraq to drive up oil prices or under the directions of Israel.
Sad that someone's 'see ya' thread is the best reminder I've seen in a while of why I loved Nauvoo. Well that and PB offered to lend me his library card...
Jen do you remember the Sunday right before you had your baby? I still laugh about that.
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Uh oh, what did I forget, edg? I can't remember anything about the Sunday before I had my baby. Posts: 4342 | Registered: Jul 2004
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It was you and me and a troll. I cannot believe you don't remember the afternoon of the conservative minnions. Sad very sad. I actually dug out my old log-in for that.
here's a little prompt- "I think I want you to have my baby. Jen "Actually I having someone elses baby on Tuesday"
That's why I remember it.
oooh, just remembered my favorite Nathan line- 'It's her everyday grace. She has more for special occasions.'
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Yes, it's ironic that the moonbats are the know-it-alls, yet everytime an opinion is expressed it's relegated to the "crazy conspiracy theorists" and discounted without consideration.
For example, consider grocery store club cards. If I was to point out the dangers of submitting to those cards I would be ridiculed and dismissed (at this site) as a one of the crazy conspiracy theorists. Does it matter that statistically people actually pay more? It's not a savings plan, it's more of a marketing "plot." Where does that data eventually end up? How secure is it? What happens when the public is comfortable having all activities tracked, even buying a pack of gum?
Government can seize that info at any time via the Patriot Act. Government agencies have already seized it in certain situations and pressed charges against "suspicious" individuals. Does everyone have so much faith in the political leaders and the behind the scene influencers that there is no concern who may eventually get their hands on that data? And once people are used to this system, what is next? Where is the line drawn?
Each time one of us submits to these cards we condition everyone else to think it's ok, and we give up a piece of the freedom that our ancestors paid for so dearly!!!
It's easy to laugh off the dangers of these things as far-fetched and crazy.
You don't have to agree with every opinion here. But why is it that anything unusual or threatening is ridiculed and discounted? Signed, A Moonbat
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Many events from the past would have been hard to believe prior to the date they occured. Who would have thought Jews would be prisoned and exterminated in "showers?" I guess anyone who wanted to warn people about the impending danger BEFORE it occurred should also be clumped in with us "moonbats."
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After a private conversation with EDG, I thought it appropriate to add a few clarifications:
1) This is not in any way a reflection upon EDG as a moderator. If I might be indulged both a salty colloquialism and a minor heresy [and I feel confident she'll edit neither out, what with them being in her defense], EDG is doing a helluva job, and in my mind, overshadows the work of Kathryn before her. In fact, I have it on good authority that President Monson recently said:
quote: When those who come after you discover that you were a part of Nauvoo during the moderatorship of everydaygrace, a hush will fall over the crowd, and those in attendance will bow down in your presence.
2) Lumina, you weren't one of the moonbats. I mean, you may well be a moonbat; there's a lot I don't know about most everyone here. But yours were not the moonbatitudes which prompted my reaction. My beef is with those who speak as if from an personal pulpit, with an air of authority both unestablished and unearned. These are those, as I indicated, for whom their own certainty in their certitude is the best possible argument for the correctness of their position; these are those who present themselves as understanding the "real" gospel better than nine-tenths of General Authorities past and present, and whose criteria for accepting that remaining one-tenth is largely "because he agrees with me". I am perfectly happy to accomodate and discuss variant and even conflicting understandings of the gospel; I see no necessity to accept someone else's self-declared superior understanding, nor to accomodate the exalteder-than-thou attitude with which they treat other citizens of Nauvoo.
I think I can be fairly confident in my eventual return, though, because such self-anointed authorities often become frustrated and splutter out once those around them exhibit the temerity of not accepting their personal views as God's Own Truth. Once the current crop has either burned out or discovered the possibility of their own error, I'll be back to a kinder, gentler Nauvoo.
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I am so disappointed. I had hoped my Campaign to Take Over Nauvoo would have remained unnoticed and unchallenged until I had my name at the top of every topic on Today's Active Threads.
I have been outed. But my campaign will not cease. (Unless my husband makes me go to bed.)
You can try to run away, Nathan, but the Moonbats know where you live (or at least where you shop!). May as well stay here where we're relatively friendly moonbats! Posts: 5841 | Registered: Sep 2005
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quote:In fact, I have it on good authority that President Monson recently said:
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When those who come after you discover that you were a part of Nauvoo during the moderatorship of everydaygrace, a hush will fall over the crowd, and those in attendance will bow down in your presence.
This is the perfect quote for my lesson this Sunday!! Thanks NShumante!!!
Well, I am glad to hear I am not the moonbat in question. Initially I felt I had an incredibly good idea of the situation to which you are referring, and I am in agreement with your opinions. However, when I saw the definition posted which ended by mentioning the "conspiracy theorists" I feared some of the posters following you assumed your comments are directed at me and a small segment of other innocents. What a relief to find out that this time we are not the bats.
Thanks for your understanding Nathan. I'm really not particularly kooky at all. Only mildly so. But certain terms that were used to ridicule others here in the past have become a sore point since my stay at Nauvoo. I seem to have become an activist in defense of misjudged conspiracy theories and theorists.
BTW, did you hear the faint sound of patriot music playing in the background as I gave my presentation up above? I thought it was a nice touch.
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quote: When those who come after you discover that you were a part of Nauvoo during the moderatorship of everydaygrace, a hush will fall over the crowd, and those in attendance will bow down in your presence.
Newest "Funniest thing written at Nauvoo" bumping "cow-orkers" down one spot on the list...
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I am just so offended by your Break Notice, nathan. I know you are referring to me as I am The One. I guess that means I'm always the guilty one...hope that puts everyone at ease. Actually, I dare anyone to offend me...just try. What? Are you trying to force me to read your blog more often? (How's that for disjointed?)
I've been picking a choosing threads more lately and have been more quiet. I understand your concerns. I won't hold you to your break so if you do show up with your great spin on things I won't have to call it your return. I'm a Nathan fan so I can't accept any departures as real .
quote: You can always announce you aren't making any announcements.
Just for you PF, I shall relent and announce that in approx 40 hours I shall be boarding a plane bound for San Francisco, from there I shall be hiring a car and driving through several states and cities, before flying to New York for Thanksgiving.
If anyone has any suggestions of places to visit - perhaps they could announce them!
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