And also, the stone that was cut from the "mountain"-- what is the mountain?
Again, I'm not particularly looking for an "official" church position on this topic. I'm also not wishing to stir up a flame war, or anything like that. I'd just like to hear what people think-- from anybody that is willing to share what they think.
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I interpret "without hands" to mean without human hands. The stone appears to refer to the kingdom of God, which is created without human means. I see the images of iron, brass, clay, silver, & gold as representing the kingdoms of the world, which are composed of many useful, valuable things. These are symbolized by the precious, semi-precious, & utilitarian or industrial metals, & by the clay which is a natural product that human hands can manipulate & shape. None of these can rival the kingdom of God, which will outlast all of them.
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Mountains are often used interchangeably with temples in scripture. In this case, I'd say it refers to the heavenly Temple of apocalyptic literature (of which Daniel is an example) which is the literal dwelling place of God in heaven.
I agree that "cut out without hands" means it is no work of mortal man.
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So, Valjean, if I read your post correctly, the "mountain" might represent the "Kingdom of God in Heaven" and the "Stone Cut Without Hands" represents "The Kingdom of God on the Earth?"
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quote: I've never done it. Some people just don't get into the whole "I love kitties and have 9 kids" thing.
Actually, I love kids and have 9 kitties. But yeah. I probably introduced myself, but it would have been a non-introduction introduction considering.
I actually wasn't thinking beyond the mountain representing the heavenly Temple, but your interpretation is as good as any.
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I am the original poster in this thread. In case anyone is curious:
1. My questions, and the answers they generate, truly are simply because I am curious. I am not trying to do a public research project, or anything like that. I intend to keep everything private. I have *no* desire to start a flame war or firestorm of any kind.
2. Once I ask a question, I generally try to then refrain from posting further on the same thread, partly in order to avoid any "skewing" of the data. I do not want my personal views to influence anybody's responses.
3. My full information is in my forum registration, so those who have access to my full registration information know who I am. I would presume this would include the moderators.
4. I truly appreciate all of the responses.
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I've understood it to be 2 possibilities. The first is Jesus Christ who had a virgin birth and is God. The second is the restored church which thus didn't come from any human institution, but was rather a restoration of the gospel.
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quote: I have *no* desire to start a flame war or firestorm of any kind.
I suspect you've spent time at boards where members and non-members mix. In that environment the least little question may spark a heated discussion. Things are different here. Ad hominem responses are pretty much not permitted, unless it's Sweet William. Posts: 10857 | Registered: Oct 2004
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Shamefully, I never introduced myself. I just joined in threads, giving my poorly thought out opinions. Fortunately, you've all been very nice to me and not smacked my nose too hard so far. I have learned a lot, particularly about how things are supposed to be done rather than the way we do them on the fringes of civilisation, and I am very grateful to you all.
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But we do know a lot about you Scruff, because you don't post and run. Archeology, born in Praha, Scotsman, knows Edinburgh, does digs, has at least one son... Posting and running makes people wary... I don't know if I ever posted in the introductions, just because I have been HERE since ever, and know a significant number of Nauvoodles in the real world. I haven't ever felt the need to be cagey about me because:Google us and you get a zillion hits. You guys even know the color and design of my underwear. Even my mother doesn't know that!
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quote: the "mountain" might represent the "Kingdom of God in Heaven" and the "Stone Cut Without Hands" represents "The Kingdom of God on the Earth?"
I spent a few minutes searching my notes today and can find nothing definite about the mountain. I wish I had the time to look further, because now that someone has asked, I am curious.
Indeed the stone cut without hands is directly related to God-made, not subject to corrosion as other kingdoms on earth are. The stone will itself grow to be a mountain which covers the whole earth. DC 65:2 reads: The keys of the kingdom of God are committed unto man on the earth, and from thence shall the gospel roll forth unto the ends of the earth, as the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands shall roll forth, until it has filled the whole earth.
If we remember that the Millennial Kingdom of Christ is both political as well as spiritual, we understand that indeed, this rolling stone kingdom will consume and break down all other man made government in the Last Days.
Another note: Jesus Christ is referred to as the Rock of Salvation. Also when Simon became peter Christ said: "Upon this Rock ( continual divine revelation) I will build my church" ( the kingdom of God.)
Speculation: MAYBE the mountain is everything that Elohim is and the stone is just the part of Elohim that concerns us on Earth? However since it is the stone that is the focus of the verses and not the whole mountain, and no one seems to be too concerned with the original mountain it probably is just one of those back burner things. What is MORE important is the mountain that the stone BECOMES.
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