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If a person is to rise on the morning of the first resurrection, does that mean he or she must die before the second coming? Is there any possibility the person could live to see the Savior return in the flesh, die later, and THEN rise on the morning of the first resurrection?
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As I understand it, the first resurrection began when Christ arose and continues till the end of the millennium. Like our day, there is no real dividing line where morning ends. I would imagine the 'morning' extends past the advent of Christ; otherwise, not many would be left (assuming all promised this have to die first).
quote: We can see in vision the countless couples in their youth and beauty coming to be married. We see clearly the unspeakable joy on their countenances as they are sealed together and as there is sealed upon them, through their faithfulness, the blessing of the holy Resurrection, with power to come forth in the morning of the First Resurrection clothed with glory, immortality, and eternal lives. --President Faust Aug 2001 Ensign
quote:Is there any possibility the person could live to see the Savior return in the flesh, die later, and THEN rise on the morning of the first resurrection?
In the millennium there is no death, those who live during this 1000 years will live till they are 100 and then be changed from mortal to immortal, in that sense, I don't think it is possible to 'die later, and then rise on the morning of the first resurrection'.
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Actually, I'm not stating my question too clearly. I was reading about the resurrection today, and based on something I came across I came up with this "puzzlement."
To give you an example, let's imagine someone was told that he would 1.) "rise on the morning of the first resurrection" but he also was under the impression that he would 2.) be alive in the flesh to see the Savior at the time of His second coming. It appears that the two happenings cannot coexist for the one person.
In other words, the possibilites appear to be, he would:
a. die before seeing the Savior in the flesh at the second coming, and then rise on the morning of the first resurrection as the millenium was ushered in. (But in this case he really wouldn't meet the Savior in the flesh at His second coming.)
b. see the Savior in the flesh, and partake in the beginning of the millenium, and then at the appointed time become resurrected in the twinkling of the eye, but somehow still in the category of the "morning" of the 1st resurrection.
c. see the Savior in the flesh at His second coming, and then die and still become resurrected in the morning of the first resurrection, becasue there is a "window" period while the millenium is being "ushered" in.
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BTW, I understand that there are two "mornings," one for the early Christians/righteous who were ready at the time of Christ's resurrection, and one for righteous who die before the ushering in of the millenium.
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I don't know when the morning of the first resurrection ends relative to the second coming, but as far as the phrase "in the flesh" goes, I think it could be interpreted more than one way. "In the flesh" could definitely refer to mortality, but I think it could also refer to resurrected beings. Like the scripture in Job on resurrection that says
quote: Job 19:25-26 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
So I think it would be possible to live, die, be resurrected in the morning of the first resurrection, and then see the second coming of the Lord "in the flesh."
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BG, I've heard that in the millenium we are going to live until the age of a tree, and that that means 100 years old. But I cannot seem to find the reference that age of a tree means 100 years. Do you (or anyone else) know where we get that idea?
quote:Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
D&C 63:50,51 And he that liveth when the Lord shall come, and hath kept the faith, blessed is he; nevertheless, it is appointed to him to die at the age of man. Wherefore, children shall grow up until they become old; old men shall die; but they shall not sleep in the dust, but they shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye.
D&C 101:30 In that day an infant shall not die until he is old; and his life shall be as the age of a tree. And when he dies he shall not sleep, that is to say in the earth, but shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up, and his rest shall be glorious.
quote: There shall be no more thence an infant of days, or an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
That verse, coupled with verse 22 is where the idea comes from that the "age of a tree" is 100 years.
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I think that these readings of scriptures may be a little too literal to be useful. (But then, I tend to find greater utility in more conceptual and metaphorical understandings of scripture than others do.)
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I seem to remember being told that some people will be resurrected prior to the actual coming. So, that could be another sense of seeing Christ come and being part of the first resurrection.
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quote: In the millennium there is no death, those who live during this 1000 years will live till they are 100 and then be changed from mortal to immortal
Interesting that it is just now that we are developing technologies that could enable humans to live indefinitely...
Just out of curiousity, is there any modern revelation that states specifically that those who live during the Millenium will live for 100 years? I mean, Isaiah can be rather obscure at times, and there are also other verses in other places saying things like, "and his days shall be an hundred and twenty years" or something similar. There are also a lot of trees older than 100 years.
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What if I'm not a morning person and out of reflex I hit the snooze button? It could be 11 AM by the time I get up. Posts: 3493 | Registered: Feb 2005
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As I've read and studied about this topic,(couldn't sleep at all last night) it appears that there is no scriptural proof (revelations)that more resurrections have occurred since those resurrected directly after the Savior rose.
Those who rose directly following the Savior were righteous folks and were the beginning of the First Resurrection. The end of the First Resurrection will occur when the Savior returns to the earth - and those will only be the righteous.
The unrighteous will not rise until the 2nd Resurrestion - at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth.
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As for those who are alive at the time of His Second Coming, they will live to the age of a tree (100?) and then be 'twinkled', thus receiving their immortal bodies. These bodies will also vary in glory as it will coincide with a judgement. There will be folks twinkled into celestial, terrestrial and telestial bodies.
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Since we are sort of on the topic, anyone think that they will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Christ? Part of me thinks that it will during my lifetime, but that is pure speculation, who knows. Anyone?
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quote: Since we are sort of on the topic, anyone think that they will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Christ? Part of me thinks that it will during my lifetime, but that is pure speculation, who knows. Anyone?
That would depend upon how you view personal revelation to a 6 (nearly 7) year old.
When I was that age I overheard a sister telling my Mother that she had just received her Patriarchal Blessing. In this blessing she was told that her children "would not taste death".
I knew (and it is hard to describe how), but I just knew at that moment, that the same would be true for me.
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I think so, yes. But I've got (hopefully) many long years ahead of me.
I used to wonder what the point of going to college or anything was, since everything was going to change in the millennium anyway. I'm not holding my breath anymore. Posts: 5737 | Registered: Oct 2004
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My guess (or hope) is the official, worldwide second coming will occur before the end of this century. The seventh seal may have already been opened. So, I'd like to believe that I'll be there at the second coming.
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Jack VanImpe says it's 2018 or thereabouts. He's not LDS, but he's really nice, and so is his wife. Posts: 8601 | Registered: Sep 2002
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July 23, 2008 - the anti-Christ arrives July 25, 2008 - he rents a space at the mall, next to Banana Republic to start marking foreheads. July 31, 2008 - he hires T.Rowe Sachs to do his books for his head marking business. August 1, 2008 - he hires 20 tattoo artists to assist him. August 2-4, 2008 - the 20 tattoo artists take a training retreat at Lake Powel. August 5, 2008 - his store opens.
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I thought it was sort of oxymoronic (which is like a lot of my thoughts) that those who came forth at the Morning of the First Resurrection were simply those who were already worthy to participate in the extremely demanding labours that would lie ahead for them, hence only of the highest degree.
I understood (and trust me - my understanding of the fate of those who do not die first is that they might not be relatively lucky by most standards) those who remain alive at the second coming will die when their time comes but that they will merely cast off mortality and embrace immortality.
It also seems to me that, if we can manage to achieve worthiness to participate, wherever we labour we will find a vast work awaits us on either side of the veil. Orderly but vast and requiring a new diligence we merely aspired to in the days of our probation.
My prayer is that not only will I be found worthy to labour there but that every person I have ever known will also be present with me. Seeing those words now reminds me that my heart is capable of desires my mortal life seldom shares.
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quote:That would depend upon how you view personal revelation to a 6 (nearly 7) year old.
When I was that age I overheard a sister telling my Mother that she had just received her Patriarchal Blessing. In this blessing she was told that her children "would not taste death".
Yes but remember that a patriarchal blessing is patriarchal, the blessings are handed down through the generations, so it could be that the grandchildren, x number of generations down the line do not taste death.
quote: Since we are sort of on the topic, anyone think that they will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Christ?
It's very likely that many of us will. Not that I know that the Second Coming will be soon, but I do think that our technology will permit immensely expanded lifetimes within the next 40 years.
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Every generation since Christ died has thought they would be the ones to witness his Second Coming. I doubt we're more likely to see it than they were.
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We are if the D&C is correct. There are supposed to be only 7000 years of Earth's temporal existence (ie, after the fall). That includes the Millenium. Right now we're either at or very near 6,000 years of history, so the Millenium is soon. There is supposed to be a "little season" between the end of 6,000 years of history and the beginning of the Millenium; however, I doubt that it will be half the length of the Millenium.
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I'd just say that since those generations have already come and gone while ours still has a chance, we are slightly more likely.
Sweet William, I thought your post was in quite a joking manner--hence my tongue-in-cheek response. I think niceness should be the official standard for evaluation of ethos in any important arguement--such as this.
I hope I was misreading your post, because it came off as very offensive. I was joking of course. (Besides which, claiming to know the year isn't the same as claiming to know the day or the hour.)
TetrahedreX,
The number is arrived at as follows: The earth's temporal existence started circa 4000 B.C., and will span 7000 years. Breaking this into 12 'hour' intervals, the 10th hour endedcirca 1833 A.D.(and that is when the 11th hour began). The 11th hour ends around 2450.
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I had a friend at a job I worked at tell me in his son's patriarchial blessing he would live to witness the Second Coming of the Lord. So to me that means it is pretty close perhaps in the next 10-50 years or so. Posts: 1014 | Registered: Feb 2005
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